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Non-traditional takes about creativity and art

What I love about both of these podcasts are they vary from the typical interview style show. These p
Non-traditional takes about creativity and art
By Zack Jones • Issue #55 • View online
What I love about both of these podcasts are they vary from the typical interview style show. These people aren’t famous researchers or entrepreneurs that you see on the podcast circuit frequently. They’re people working in the field who have raw ideas filled with insight and perspective. 

Two non-traditional podcasts about creativity
Longform - Episode 311: Jerry Saltz
Jerry Saltz, the unpretentious art critic. A fascinating interview with an art critic at New York magazine. Jerry has many takes about what art is, what it should mean and why it will always be necessary. 
A quote that stood out: “I don’t know what I’m doing, but I know how to do it.”
There’s something I love about this quote. Maybe it’s the not-so-subtle emphasis on process rather than product.
When we really think about it, much of our time is spent learning, experimenting and discovering. We don’t know what we’re doing, but if we know how to learn, how to experiment, how to discover, that’s what matters.
Simplify - Kelly Leonard: Say Yes! To Funny Business
Second City is the most famous improvisational comedy group in the world. In this podcast, Kelly Leonard has amazing points of view about creativity, psychological safety and working in teams. 
What resonated with me: 
“An ensemble is only as good as its ability to compensate for the weakest member.”
This quote gets at the idea that there is no single weakest member in any group. Inevitably, everyone has a weaker moment. The strength of a group is determined by their ability to fill in when needed.
I also love the sentiment that improvisation, creativity and saying “yes, and” is a practice. It’s not something you can learn once. It’s like going to the gym. You do it each day to stay in shape.
Lastly, there was this idea of self verification theory. This says that people don’t want to be seen as a better version of themselves. They want to be seen the way they see themselves. A little counterintuitive at first, but starts to make sense the more you think about it. Leonard called seeing people as they want to be seen “the ultimate ‘Yes, And.’”
Updates
This weekend was the Dual School kickoff weekend. Thus, I am exhausted, but also proud of the work we did in such a short period of time. A dozen students created a message the world needs to hear, then they designed and printed it on a t-shirt that they could walk away with. Check out my tweet below to see a few images and a video from the experience!
Kickoff weekend in the books! Tons of fun using screen printing to engage students in a hands-on creative process 
#dualschool… https://t.co/dAmJUmOeD4"
Sophia and I are headed up to New England late Friday night for a quick visit home. Hoping for sun, waves and foliage along with a healthy dose of family. Much love to all,
Zack
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