It’s unfortunate to see yet another wild hunt stirred up to target someone by one more ass I blocked months and months ago for failing my 10 second rule, but it is a bit gratifying to see that some people are coming around to the same conclusion finally.
It’s nice when others once again come around to a self-evident position I articulated some time ago. Yet again. There’s a couple other asses I wish people would have the same realization about, but I won’t hold my breath.
And one of the main voices behind a honeypot website ostensibly about “community” was always one of the main movers and string pullers, but now appears to be trying to situate themselves as a defender of those targeted. I don’t know, maybe they’ve lost control of the mob, or the mob didn’t get the memo that the honeypot was supposed to be the place where people weren’t attacked, so that all other voices get silenced elsewhere, leaving only that site which gives the ringleader authority and prestige. Or maybe that’s the heroic arsonist putting out the fire they set.
(By the by, my 10 second rule is simple. If after 10 seconds of consideration my response to someone interacting with me is still “Oh, fuck off!” that’s when the well-oiled, hair-trigger ban hammer goes BRR. I don’t think I’ve mentioned that 10 second rule aloud before, but it has served me oh, so well over the years. I’ve made exceptions, and given extra chances, but have always been disappointed if I do.)
Most of the time, when the ThelemaBros get riled up, they’re just upset that someone else outside their circle is getting attention. They’ll find something to criticise no matter what, because they only want to silence other people’s voices with their noise.
They’ll come at your directly, indirectly, overtly, covertly, coordinated and as “lone wolf” Cromwell’s men. They’ll use every method to reach you, often all at once.
They’re going to criticise something about everything you do. They’ll invent reasons and bad faith interpretations of anything. It’s actually got nothing to do with what you’re doing per se. They’re barking mad because you’re there and aren’t part of their pack.
If they think you’re part of their pack and aren’t sufficiently deferential to their entitled self-declared hierarchy, they’ll use the same tactics to try to force you to bark too, even if they later admit that you had a point, it’s that you didn’t use your voice to coddle them.
yeah, yeah, I know, but ThelemaBros sure seem to be a systemic disease.
Now, here’s the thing. Most of what I’ve mentioned so far isn’t necessarily specifically a THELEMAbro problem, but a problem that can be seen in many spaces with the way Bros act and attack. But there seem to me to be some particular manifestations of what Bros are in Thelemic community specifically, which I thought I’d mention.
First off, the institutions of Thelema have build-in systemic silos of secrecy that allow bad actors to partition the community. In my experience, this is a systemic problem where the community is built around division and control
(and this is often unrecognized or glossed over in rhetoric around “freedom” and “liberty”) (let’s also not forget that the real reason for Crowley’s 1925 The Tunis Comment
was to shut someone up), and so that is a tool handy for bad actors to use. These silos can be degree related in large part, but it can also simply be that there’s in-groups and out-groups all over the place.
Then, another thing related to this that I’ve observed is that the Thelemic community has a kind of default gullibility that comes from fraternal bonds and an expectation that some things are above one’s pay grade, where bad actors can make claims about others that are wrong or twisted and then not be questioned. But then those who have trusted what bad actors have said then become unwitting proxies and act on the bad information given them without adequate reflection on where the information came from.
(For just one example of that of many, I once had a Fellow email me to demand that I remove all of their work from the library site because they were told that I did something that I didn’t actually do. They didn’t check in with me to verify, but defaulted to trust what they had been told by a bad actor, and were thus manipulated into being a proxy attack on me and the site by someone with an antagonistic
axe to grind, and both the motive and lack of ethics to lie. Default gullibility just provided the opportunity and means. Anyhow, that particular proxy attack didn’t work in the end, at least. Though others have.)
Another systemic element in Thelemic community is that, in spite of the idea mutual support of each other baked in, in practice people only support others they like and trust. But, fraternal bonds aren’t friendship. And, for example, in my experience upper degrees and leadership in OTO don’t trust membership because they’ve been burned in the past, and that overrides the necessary vulnerability it takes to trust.
Finally, I want to point out that there is a fundamental potential for dangerous self-righteousness, if not recognized and addressed, in the ideology of Thelema that multiplies the effect of ThelemaBros. As Mal says in the “Heart of Gold” episode of Firefly
: “Nothing worse than a monster who thinks he’s right with God.” In Thelema, “there is no god but man.” And too often this means that monsters in Thelema leap to thinking they are right with themselves in isolation as god.
This, I think, is a core Plymouth Brethrenism from Crowley’s childhood that has still roots that grows into Fleur du Mal in Thelema, and I’ve suggested in the past that the worst of Thelema is when it is Plymouth Brethren for Assholes. Go check out what Crowley wrote about his experience of Plymouth Brethren
for yourself then just substitute “Thelema” in and read it again, and I think you can see every complaint Crowley had could also be, and I think has been, said at times about the worst manifestations of Thelema.
(By the by, I’ll bet you $2 that someone will point to what I’ve written here as proof that I’m a “problem”, in the same way some in OTO used to (still do?) talk about “The Hermetic Library Problem”. I submit that whomever does that is the actual problem they themselves are pointing out.)